Within the first century structure, Christ’s death was Passover and the destruction of Jerusalem was Atonement. That is the interpretation of the text. The application is what you are referring to in other events. I believe the Reformers were quite right to identify Papal Rome as ‘a’ harlot, but wrong to identify her as ‘the’ harlot. It was exactly the same kind of compromise that the Herods made, but not the event Jesus and John were predicting.
The destruction of the Temple and Old Covenant worship was not superfluous. It was a major event in the history of the church. It vindicated Christ as a true prophet.

My base is that in one huge sense the Old Covenant did not “pass away” or die, because those old things were types given to teach us about Christ. So they were fulfilled in Him. Isaiah and Moses spoke of Christ, not some doomed system. Circumcision and the Temple were about Him, so baptism and His body are the “modern day” correlation.

Now yes, those Old Testament types have passed away and been crucified in the sense that they were also types about what it means to be trapped in a death of our own making. Adam and Eve put us in a living hell, a thing about which the picture of repeated sacrifices (for example) was given to “us” / Jews to typify. So when Christ was crucified once and for all, He killed that old condition. Nevertheless, the condition for those without Christ remains a living and current “old covenant” they are doomed to live out.

So when you say the Scripture was completed before the Old Testament passed away — I think you hit on the crux of our difference. The Old Testament (types of our doom) “passed away” when Christ killed them in Himself and then burst awake again like Gandolf the white, victoriously alive in triumph and then levitated in shimmering glory to approving Father. For those in Him, there ain’t no doom left after that, my friend. That’s why Stephen, connected as he was to Christ, looked up and saw EVERYTHING in place — which drove the “old covenant” trapped Jews to their frenzy. Stephen did not preach about some future victory — He saw the risen Christ, and it doesn’t get more victorious than that.

AD70 is superfluous. AD70 fulfills no Scripture in any specific sense — other than there are lots of AD70′s occurring all around us every day that show the repeated truth that God is working His purpose out. 9/11 is an AD70. Nobody, not even you, can name anything substantive from that even that you don’t already have in the history circumscribed intraBible times. “But without AD70, you wouldn’t …” — what? The first Christian victory???? Christ’s resurrection, Stephen’s confident look into Jesus’ face, Paul’s huddle with the pastors on the shoreline — you need more than that, Mike?

After all that, I’m STILL not sure where you are coming from. Are you saying the AD70 fulfills all Scripture, or that AD70 fulfills no Scripture. Please present your case clearly.

The fulfilment of most of Revelation is outside the bounds of Scripture because an event has to happen “after” the Scripture that predicted it. The Bible was completed before the Old Covenant passed away.

Regards AD70, Ezekiel was about the coming destruction of Jerusalem, and the death and resurrection of Israel.

Revelation follows exactly the same structure as Ezekiel. The book has the same purpose: the end of an Old Covenant and inauguration of a New one.

Regards antisemitism, I recommend James Jordan’s excellent article here: http://www.preteristarchive.com/Modern/1991_jordan_future-israel.html

Thanks for your comments.

But you’ve confirmed that the ONLY prophecied event you presume to know of that stands without interBiblical confirmation is this AD70 thing. For all other prophecies & historical types, you’ve got Bible surrounding those. Yet one of the tenets you use to validate your other interpretations like your Garden-Land-World discovery, is that you’ve got Bible to back it up.

For AD70, of course, you’ve got nothing looking back. “Matthew 23-25 specifically foretell the Jewish war …” — really? Says who? “Well it’s obvious” I hear you say. Hmmm, is that your hermenuetic for your other type-antitype constructions — obviousness to Mike?

No, on ALL other constructions, you use Scripture to prove them. “But Eric, knock-knock-hello!, Scripture stopped before AD70, so there ain’t gonna be any backward-looking verses to expound on and prove that AD70 is a Biblical-cited type!” Exactly! So you have this singular, living piece of history that you find to be such a critical, pivotal anchor in our understanding of God’s plan, yes? But unlike all other events in Salvation history, God chose this one to occur after He closed the authoritative Record, the only tool He could and had used to enlighten us with His take on every other seminal event. And why would He put this one critical event outside the bounds of backward-looking Scriptural exposition?

You can and have discovered tons of historical events inside Biblical history which, after He applied His unique hermeneutic subsequent to the event, gave us a perspective we never could have got on our own. And you don’t go beyond that with respect to ANY of those events. But now with this AD70 thing, you’ve got all kinds of understandings about it that you’ve had to imply based on your earier begging of it as what Matt 23-25 is talking about.

I’m just disappointed that someone like you with nice insights found within Scripture about Scripture, has taken such a liking to a mythical post Christian “signpost.” Again, I’m guessing it’s a premil holdover.

Matthew 23-25 specifically foretell the Jewish war (and immediate surrounding events). This is expanded upon in Revelation 1-19 (LAND).

After this first victory for the church, Revelation 20 briefly describes the current age before the final judgment and physical restoration (WORLD).

That is interpretation. But in application, all of the principles that applied to the Land now apply to the world. There are still beasts and harlots, just not any able to corrupt the centre of worship because that is now in heaven. The Old Covenant Temple is gone.