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		<title>By: MarkO</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2013 01:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yes indeed, Dispensationalists do have a difficult time with the Book of Hebrews especially if they happened to believe that it was written by St. Paul.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes indeed, Dispensationalists do have a difficult time with the Book of Hebrews especially if they happened to believe that it was written by St. Paul.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 06:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[Yo Bully. Sharing what I saw on the web. You may want to comment on it. Lord bless.]

Margaret Macdonald&#039;s Rapture Chart !

      &quot;church&quot;    RAPTURE    &quot;church&quot;
(present age)                     (tribulation)


     In early 1830 Margaret was the very first one to see a pre-Antichrist (pretrib) rapture in the Bible - and John Walvoord and Hal Lindsey lend support for this claim!
     Walvoord&#039;s &quot;Rapture Question&quot; (1979) says her view resembles the &quot;partial-rapture view&quot; and Lindsey&#039;s &quot;The Rapture&quot; (1983) admits that &quot;she definitely teaches a partial rapture.&quot;
     But there&#039;s more. Lindsey (p. 26) says that partial rapturists see only &quot;spiritual&quot; Christians in the rapture and &quot;unspiritual&quot; ones left behind to endure Antichrist&#039;s trial. And Walvoord (p. 97) calls partial rapturists &quot;pretribulationists&quot;!
     Margaret&#039;s pretrib view was a partial rapture form of it since only those &quot;filled with the Spirit&quot; would be raptured before the revealing of the Antichrist. A few critics, who&#039;ve been repeating more than researching, have noted &quot;Church&quot; in the tribulation section of her account. Since they haven&#039;t known that all partial rapturists see &quot;Church&quot; on earth after their pretrib rapture (see above chart), they&#039;ve wrongly assumed that Margaret was a posttrib!
     In Sep. 1830 Edward Irving&#039;s journal &quot;The Morning Watch&quot; (hereafter: TMW) was the first to publicly reflect her novel view when it saw spiritual &quot;Philadelphia&quot; raptured before &quot;the great tribulation&quot; and unspiritual &quot;Laodicea&quot; left on earth.
     In Dec. 1830 John Darby (the so-called &quot;father of dispensationalism&quot; even though he wasn&#039;t first on any crucial aspect of it!) was still defending the historic posttrib rapture view in the &quot;Christian Herald.&quot;
     Pretrib didn&#039;t spring from a &quot;church/Israel&quot; dichotomy, as many have assumed, but sprang from a &quot;church/church&quot; one, as we&#039;ve seen, and was based only on symbols!
     But innate anti-Jewishness soon appeared. (As noted, TMW in Sep. 1830 saw only less worthy church members left behind.) In Sep. 1832 TMW said that less worthy church members and &quot;Jews&quot; would be left behind. But by Mar. 1833 TMW was sure that only &quot;Jews&quot; would face the Antichrist!
     As late as 1837 the non-dichotomous Darby saw the church &quot;going in with Him to the marriage, to wit, with Jerusalem and the Jews.&quot; And he didn&#039;t clearly teach pretrib until 1839. His basis then was the Rev. 12:5 &quot;man child...caught up&quot; symbol he&#039;d &quot;borrowed&quot; (without giving credit) from Irving who had been the first to use it for the same purpose in 1831!
     For related articles Google &quot;X-Raying Margaret,&quot; &quot;Edward Irving is Unnerving,&quot; &quot;Pretrib Rapture&#039;s Missing Lines,&quot; &quot;The Unoriginal John Darby,&quot; &quot;Deceiving and Being Deceived&quot; by D.M., &quot;Pretrib Rapture Pride,&quot; &quot;Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty&quot; and &quot;Scholars Weigh My Research.&quot; The most documented and accurate book on pretrib rapture history is &quot;The Rapture Plot&quot; (see Armageddon Books online) - a 300-pager that has hundreds of disarming facts (like the ones above) not found in any other source.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[Yo Bully. Sharing what I saw on the web. You may want to comment on it. Lord bless.]</p>
<p>Margaret Macdonald&#8217;s Rapture Chart !</p>
<p>      &#8220;church&#8221;    RAPTURE    &#8220;church&#8221;<br />
(present age)                     (tribulation)</p>
<p>     In early 1830 Margaret was the very first one to see a pre-Antichrist (pretrib) rapture in the Bible &#8211; and John Walvoord and Hal Lindsey lend support for this claim!<br />
     Walvoord&#8217;s &#8220;Rapture Question&#8221; (1979) says her view resembles the &#8220;partial-rapture view&#8221; and Lindsey&#8217;s &#8220;The Rapture&#8221; (1983) admits that &#8220;she definitely teaches a partial rapture.&#8221;<br />
     But there&#8217;s more. Lindsey (p. 26) says that partial rapturists see only &#8220;spiritual&#8221; Christians in the rapture and &#8220;unspiritual&#8221; ones left behind to endure Antichrist&#8217;s trial. And Walvoord (p. 97) calls partial rapturists &#8220;pretribulationists&#8221;!<br />
     Margaret&#8217;s pretrib view was a partial rapture form of it since only those &#8220;filled with the Spirit&#8221; would be raptured before the revealing of the Antichrist. A few critics, who&#8217;ve been repeating more than researching, have noted &#8220;Church&#8221; in the tribulation section of her account. Since they haven&#8217;t known that all partial rapturists see &#8220;Church&#8221; on earth after their pretrib rapture (see above chart), they&#8217;ve wrongly assumed that Margaret was a posttrib!<br />
     In Sep. 1830 Edward Irving&#8217;s journal &#8220;The Morning Watch&#8221; (hereafter: TMW) was the first to publicly reflect her novel view when it saw spiritual &#8220;Philadelphia&#8221; raptured before &#8220;the great tribulation&#8221; and unspiritual &#8220;Laodicea&#8221; left on earth.<br />
     In Dec. 1830 John Darby (the so-called &#8220;father of dispensationalism&#8221; even though he wasn&#8217;t first on any crucial aspect of it!) was still defending the historic posttrib rapture view in the &#8220;Christian Herald.&#8221;<br />
     Pretrib didn&#8217;t spring from a &#8220;church/Israel&#8221; dichotomy, as many have assumed, but sprang from a &#8220;church/church&#8221; one, as we&#8217;ve seen, and was based only on symbols!<br />
     But innate anti-Jewishness soon appeared. (As noted, TMW in Sep. 1830 saw only less worthy church members left behind.) In Sep. 1832 TMW said that less worthy church members and &#8220;Jews&#8221; would be left behind. But by Mar. 1833 TMW was sure that only &#8220;Jews&#8221; would face the Antichrist!<br />
     As late as 1837 the non-dichotomous Darby saw the church &#8220;going in with Him to the marriage, to wit, with Jerusalem and the Jews.&#8221; And he didn&#8217;t clearly teach pretrib until 1839. His basis then was the Rev. 12:5 &#8220;man child&#8230;caught up&#8221; symbol he&#8217;d &#8220;borrowed&#8221; (without giving credit) from Irving who had been the first to use it for the same purpose in 1831!<br />
     For related articles Google &#8220;X-Raying Margaret,&#8221; &#8220;Edward Irving is Unnerving,&#8221; &#8220;Pretrib Rapture&#8217;s Missing Lines,&#8221; &#8220;The Unoriginal John Darby,&#8221; &#8220;Deceiving and Being Deceived&#8221; by D.M., &#8220;Pretrib Rapture Pride,&#8221; &#8220;Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty&#8221; and &#8220;Scholars Weigh My Research.&#8221; The most documented and accurate book on pretrib rapture history is &#8220;The Rapture Plot&#8221; (see Armageddon Books online) &#8211; a 300-pager that has hundreds of disarming facts (like the ones above) not found in any other source.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Murphy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2013 15:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s a fantastic point, Mike.  When we fail to see Israel as a means to an end - the salvation of all peoples - we miss the whole point.  Thanks for this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a fantastic point, Mike.  When we fail to see Israel as a means to an end &#8211; the salvation of all peoples &#8211; we miss the whole point.  Thanks for this.</p>
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