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By: Mike Bull

Mike Bull — Fri, 02 Nov 2012 03:49:42 +0000

Further to that, those Jewish believers may have converted after the armies closed in, seeing that Jesus’ words were fulfilled.

By: Mike Bull

Mike Bull — Fri, 02 Nov 2012 03:11:56 +0000

Hi Darren

Good point. The issue is we have two goats here in the city: a body of believing Jews and a body of unbelieving Jews. The good goat was slaughtered first, and ascended to God. A massacre of Jewish believers (“my brethren”) by Jewish rulers was the last straw. This ties in with the “sacrificial” nature of “abomination” in the OT. The glory of the Lord departed when the remaining believers departed, and the Temple was left unprotected. So, the tribulation was only the first half of the story, the three years leading up to the siege. After that it wasn’t tribulation, it was vengeance – the second goat carrying the sins to destruction.

By: Doane

Doane — Fri, 02 Nov 2012 03:02:35 +0000

But the Abomination was the sign to get out. Which means you would be able
To get out. I’m inclined to go with the early church writers that comment that
For some reason in AD66, after surrounding Jerusalem, Rome pulled out for 3
Months. The early church, to Spurgeon to Finney all comment
That this was the sign, and All Christians got out and fled to the mountains
As Jesus commanded.

By: Mike Bull

Mike Bull — Sat, 26 May 2012 04:19:07 +0000

Yep – I agree. Garden, Land, World.

By: MarkO

MarkO — Sat, 26 May 2012 03:50:54 +0000

Not to push back too much since we are both in same dug out (in other words neither of us thinks the Abomination of Desolation happens in some 3rd temple of the future), BUT I see the persecution of Christian Jews as not a separate act of abomination from the rejection and murder of Messiah. I see their persecution as a further manifestation and deeper confirmation of the apostate Jews’ original rejection of Jesus as Messiah.

After all the rejection was already mutual around the time of Jesus’ death. He said to them “your house is left to you desolate” and they said “crucify him.” The abomination was complete in that moment. Whatever abominable things happened in the decades to follow were simply like the radioactive waste spreading after the reactor exploded – like Chernobyl. The devastation continued for many years following the crucifixion, that one damnable deed that unleashed many that followed.

To us who believe the irony is that Christ crucified is both an abomination and healing balm.

By: Mike Bull

Mike Bull — Fri, 25 May 2012 02:31:45 +0000

I agree – but here it is the righteous ones. Israel’s history follows the annual feasts, with this era as the Day of Atonement. The High Priest made two approaches in this Day – one for the Head and one for the Body (Adam and Eve, lifting the curse on the Land and the Offspring). So this massacre was a “multiplication” of Judah’s sin against Christ (using Roman state power to kill Christians). In this case, it sealed their doom. As Jordan says, Jesus overlooked the sin against Himself, but the sin against His Bride, as Greater Adam, He would not overlook.

For more, see:
http://www.bullartistry.com.au/wp/2010/04/16/half-the-blood/
and
http://www.bullartistry.com.au/wp/2011/07/14/one-taken-one-left-behind/

By: MarkO

MarkO — Fri, 25 May 2012 01:16:50 +0000

Interesting. I am inclined to think that the abominable act was the slaughter of The Righteous One. I take this idea from the Sanhedrin’s rejection and condemnation of Jesus as both God and Messiah (Mark 14:61-64), Peter’s Pentecost Sermon (Acts 2:22-23), his next sermon in Acts 3 (3:14) and also from Stephen’s defense (sermon) before the Sanhedrin (Acts 7:52).

By: Mike Bull

Mike Bull — Thu, 24 May 2012 04:14:56 +0000

I follow Jordan’s view that the abominable act that brought about the desolation was the slaughter of Jewish converts within the besieged city. As with Sodom, once the righteous were gone, there was, as Revelation says, “no more delay.” See Jordan’s articles on http://www.biblicalhorizons.com

By: MarkO

MarkO — Thu, 24 May 2012 04:10:32 +0000

So what do you think the Abomination the makes Desolation is? Preterists agree that the Desolation is the destruction of Jerusalem. What is the Abomination? I have my own idea – wondering what yours is.