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		<title>Paradigm Shift</title>
		<link>http://www.bullartistry.com.au/wp/2014/09/25/paradigm-shift/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2014 11:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Bull]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joel McDurmon has put together a helpful list &#8211; an &#8220;Eschatological Resource Guide&#8221; &#8211; for those new to preterism and postmillennialism. He writes: The beginning student should be aware that there are several distinct facets of biblical eschatology which while connected are distinct issues. Millennial discussions can be distinct from discussions of dating and timing [&#8230;]]]></description>
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Joel McDurmon has put together a helpful list &#8211; an &#8220;Eschatological Resource Guide&#8221; &#8211; for those new to preterism and postmillennialism. He writes:<br />
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<blockquote><p>The beginning student should be aware that there are several distinct facets of biblical eschatology which while connected are distinct issues. Millennial discussions can be distinct from discussions of dating and timing of certain prophecies (preterism, etc.). Particular topics such as “the rapture” can be discussed and critiqued separately to a large degree. Nevertheless, all are connected in the organic whole also, so while we can distinguish them for discussion purposes, we cannot separate them for worldview purposes.</p></blockquote>
<p>You can view the list <a href="http://americanvision.org/11344/american-vision-eschatology-resource-guide/" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>A Baptism To Remember</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Feb 2014 03:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Bull]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[“The whole world is like a drunken peasant. They fall off one side of the horse or the other.” – Martin Luther An Apology to Joel McDurmon &#8211; In Both Senses of the Word “As Christians, an exhortation to &#8216;remember your baptism&#8217; is a good one, but this begins with a baptism you can actually [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>“The whole world is like a drunken peasant.</em><br />
<em>They fall off one side of the horse or the other.”</em> – Martin Luther</p>
<h3 style="text-align: center;">An Apology to Joel McDurmon &#8211; In Both Senses of the Word</h3>
<p style="text-align: center;"><big>“As Christians, an exhortation to &#8216;remember your baptism&#8217; is a good one, but this begins <em>with a baptism you can actually remember</em>.<big>”</big></big></p>
<p>Joel McDurmon of American Vision just wrote a post tracing back to their Arminian doctrine the deceit and manipulative tactics use by, and even marketed by, the <em>Elevation</em> Church to increase their baptism quota. He writes:</p>
<blockquote><p>If “saving souls” is the main end-game of your Christian faith, and if the free will is the last hurdle of salvation, then why would you not what the help of an army of marketers, managers, assembly lines, pre-packaged directions, techniques, tools, processes, and networks of support farms and professionals who can claim “billions served”?</p>
<p>It’s only from the standpoint of the doctrines of grace that it makes sense to criticize these manipulative tactics. It is encouraging that some Christians seem naturally uneasy when a church like Elevation admits what it does. But Elevation is just a mote. Free will theology is the plank.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, my nickname is Bully and I saw red. A discussion ensued on facebook which did not end on very good terms.  Of course, this is something that rarely ever happens (not). I believe what I wrote was entirely objective, and at least as gracious as Mr McDurmon&#8217;s opinion piece, however re-reading it, it was badly worded and Joel, a writer whose work and ministry I admire, took it personally. I wrote:</p>
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<blockquote><p>God is neither a Calvinist nor an Arminian. He is sovereign yet He very obviously holds each person accountable for their decisions. These truths are parallel lines that only meet at the throne of God. While the manipulation of Elevation Church is clearly a perversion of Arminianism, the cowardice, apathy, conceit, disengagement, bookishness and carnality of those who not only baptize the unregenerate and label them &#8220;Christians&#8221; but use Calvin as an excuse for a failure of personal witness, which is the premier task of the Church, makes me sick. Get off your high horse. Your &#8220;we are God&#8217;s people&#8221; Covenant construct is as much a manipulation as this is.</p></blockquote>
<p>So, my sincere apology to Joel, who is certainly a faithful and courageous witness. What angered me was not simply his failure to see or deal with similar errors on the Calvinist side of things, but the snide attitude of many Calvinists in the subsequent facebook comments. If freewill theology is a plank in the eye of the Arminian, then a repentance-free &#8220;Christian&#8221; identity is a plank in the eye of the Calvinist.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bullartistry.com.au/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Elevation.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-13895" title="Elevation" src="http://www.bullartistry.com.au/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Elevation.jpg" alt="" width="468" height="264" /></a></p>
<p>Where Elevation has fallen off one side of the horse, Joel, with the well-meaning &#8220;Baptism Is Not Enough&#8221; Covenant construct he supports has already fallen off the other. Both methods muddy the crystal clear qualification of &#8220;Christian&#8221; by encouraging and honoring what is merely &#8220;natural.&#8221;</p>
<blockquote><p>My point was that forcing God&#8217;s hand through deceit and manipulation in either direction is wrong. I don&#8217;t know if Elevation is actually preaching a Gospel of repentance and faith amongst their cultic stuff, but if they are, and those who, though manipulated, actually repented and believed, their baptism still has the required &#8220;ingredients&#8221; and is still valid in God&#8217;s eyes, unlike any paedobaptism, which is as much a &#8220;perfectly logical&#8221; outcome of a self-righteous one-eyed Calvinism. I&#8217;m not excusing Elevation&#8217;s tactics, but their baptism still submits to Scripture in a way that no sprinkling ever did.</p>
<p>Billy Graham visited Australia in 1959 and preached to crowds which were skeptical and yet had a &#8220;Sunday School&#8221; upbringing. The responses were huge, and emotional, and yet this country has benefited from the ministry of the thousands who were converted at those events ever since. (Video ckip <a href="http://youtu.be/w0GMGmZJPgs" target="_blank">here</a>) So you are throwing the baby out with the bathwater. We know John was a Baptist because he preached like one. Ha!</p>
<p>In all cases, a tree is known by its fruits. It&#8217;s time we stopped pitting planting/watering and the harvest against each other. That&#8217;s the real problem. Sprinklers just want to plant and water and fools like Elevation just want a harvest every week.</p>
<p><em>&#8220;So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.&#8221;</em> (Acts 2:41)</p>
<p>This verse is not an indication of a really busy day for the midwives. Your infant baptism was no more a work of God than an emotional manipulation is. Both are simply the work of men, at the will of a man.</p></blockquote>
<p>Certainly, these are strong words, but I write them because I love baptism and hate to see it distorted into manipulation by either Arminians <em>or</em> Calvinists. As Christians, an exhortation to &#8220;remember your baptism&#8221; is a good one, but this begins <em>with a baptism you can actually remember</em>. If it doesn&#8217;t, then you are placing your confidence in something or someone other than the perfect work of Christ.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll keep reading Joel&#8217;s books, articles and passionate opinion pieces. And I&#8217;ll try to keep calm. And both of us pale in comparison to the vitriol of Martin Luther.</p>
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		<title>True Colours</title>
		<link>http://www.bullartistry.com.au/wp/2011/01/22/true-colours/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jan 2011 02:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Bull]]></dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Bible Matrix]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#160; Joel McDurmon has an excellent rundown on the first century context of Jesus&#8217; parables: &#8230;The separation of wheat and tares, then, pertained to the destruction of Jerusalem and the separation of God’s true fruit-bearing people from the weeds, the unbelieving Jews of that time. Ironically, this interpretation gets to the heart of the picture [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p>Joel McDurmon has an excellent rundown on the first century context of Jesus&#8217; parables:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;The separation of wheat and tares, then, pertained to the destruction of Jerusalem and the separation of God’s true fruit-bearing people from the weeds, the unbelieving Jews of that time. Ironically, this interpretation gets to the heart of the picture in the parable.</p>
<p><span id="more-6787"></span>A “tare” was not simply any old weed, but a particular weed called a “darnel” or zizania in Greek. It looked almost exactly like wheat in early stages of growth and required close examination to tell the difference. In later stages, the difference grows clear, but then it is too late to remove the darnel without damaging the wheat (as the parable says). Worse yet, the darnel kernels are poisonous, causing dizziness, sickness, and possibly even death when eaten. In short, they could look like the real thing, but they were poison; and after a while, their true colors showed. This was exactly the story with the rebellious Jews. They looked like God’s people, but they were really the children of the enemy—they even killed God’s prophets (Matt. 23:30–39). And the longer history went on, the more their true nature as the children of wrath was revealed.</p>
<p>Thus the parable describes the then-soon-coming end of that old age and the destruction of its children, and the beginning of the gathering in of the true children of God’s kingdom. It should not be understood as teaching anything beyond this&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Joel McDurmon, <a href="http://americanvision.org/3962/wheat-tares-mustard-leaven/"><em>Wheat, Tares, Mustard, Leaven</em></a>.</p>
<p>See also <a href="http://www.bullartistry.com.au/wp/2009/09/12/feasts-in-matthew-13/">Feasts in Matthew 13</a>.</p>
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